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Better Know the Ones Left Off the Ballot #5: Delmon Young

Welcome to the second BKTOLOTB of the day! Here we take a look at the people who qualify for the Hall of Fame ballot (10 years of playing in the MLB) but were left off. We have four already out there, so you can check outRandy Choate, Kevin Gregg, Dan Uggla, or Josh Hamilton should you so choose. Now onto the second time today I trigger Rays fans' PTSD.

Delmon Young

Bill James Hall of Fame Monitor: 7 Career bWAR (10 years): 3.2 Stats: .283/.316/.421, 98 OPS+, 1162 H, 109 HR, 338 XBH, 566 RBI, 473 R League Leading Stats: Outs Made (492, 2007), Games Played (162, 2007), Double Plays Grounded Into (23, 2007), Errors Committed as LF 3x (8, 2008 | 5, 2009 | 7, 2011) Awards: 2012 ALCS MVP, AL Player of the Month (July 2010), AL Player of the Week (October 4th, 2009) Teams Played For: Devil Rays/Rays (2006-07, 2013), Twins (2008-11), Tigers (2011-12), Phillies (2013), Orioles (2014-15)
Here's an exercise for the reader: take a time machine back to the year 2005, and tell any baseball writer that in 15 years Delmon Young isn't on the Hall of Fame ballot. I'm now going to predict the replies you'll get. 70 percent will say "Well of course not, he's still playing. Probably close to 500 home runs by now if he hasn't passed it." 25 percent will say "Um, how do you know that? Do you have a time machine? And if so why are you using it to tell me about baseball?" The other 5 percent will say "Told you he was overhyped." In 2005, being a baseball writer and not having an opinion on Delmon Young was an incongruity. Nowadays I'd predict most baseball writers would just respond "Oh yeah, that guy. Oof." So obviously, something changed. And since he's not on the ballot I gotta find out what. By the way, did you ever notice that his first name has "Elmo" in it?
The year is 2003, and Dmitri Young is entering his seventh full season as a fine Major League player. At the same time, his younger brother with a less Russian first name is about to graduate high school. It is also safe to say that lil bro Delmon is one of the most talked about high school baseball outfielders, nay, players in the nation. To put into perspective just how good he was, the field where he played had to erect a 30-foot wall add-on to left field, which was already 400 feet deep, because he kept hitting balls over it and they were worried people would get hurt. Delmon was 13 when that wall went up. This man's prospect hype train had had stocks of coal for four years so by this point it was reaching breakneck speeds. It was a shock to none when he went first overall in the 2003 MLB Draft to the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. After his assignment to the Mesa Solar Sox as a 17-year-old went well enough, Young was promoted to single-A ball only half a year after he was legally allowed to vote. He was also Baseball America's 3rd best MLB prospect. At 18. The year after he was drafted. Against all odds that hype train is getting faster. How did Young do in 2004? Oh boy. He hit .322/.388/.538 with 25 home runs and 115 RBIs to tack onto 21 stolen bases and 276 total bases in 131 games in single-A. And he turned 19 that September. The hype train is nitro-fueled at this point. By the start of the 2005 season, if you didn't have Delmon Young in your top 5 baseball prospects, you just weren't worth listening to. I mean, look at those numbers. And he's 19! Where would he go from here? Well, double-A and triple-A. Why both? Because even as a 19-year-old Delmon Young was just too good. In mid-July, after 84 AA games where he hit .336/.386/.527 with 20 homers and 71 RBIs, plus 25 stolen bases for good measure, the Tampa Bay Devil Rays seemingly had no choice but to promote a 19-year-old to AAA. He'd lose a bit of luster there, batting .285/.303/.447 with just 6 dingers and 28 RBIs in 52 games, but he sure didn't lose the MVP award of the AA Southern League. The man turned 20 that September and had already won an MVP. Lord have mercy I think the hype train is leaving the ground and taking to the skies. By 2006, Delmon Young was the consensus number one prospect. Any suggestion otherwise was an invitation to ridicule. If he was anything less than a generational talent it would be a disappointment. And then, as seems to so often happen with Tampa Bay Devil Rays number 1 draft picks turned uber prospects, something went wrong.
Within the first month of his first AA game, after trying to be more patient at the plate, Delmon Young took a rather egregious third strike call. After an argument, Young headed to the dugout, whereupon the ump tossed him. Young responded in kind by tossing the only thing he could. Young would later say he didn't mean to throw the bat half as hard, and he for sure didn't intend for it to be in the ump's direction, let alone hitting him. Regardless, the league suspended him for 50 games, and a new narrative of a hotheaded immature prospect emerged. While he was limited to just 86 AAA games because of that incident, Young still did quite well for himself, slashing .316/.341/.474 with 59 RBIs and 22 swiped bags. Only 8 home runs, but when the rest of your batting line looks like that, dingers aren't a priority. The best news of the year, at least from Young's perspective, came near the end of August, when it was announced that Devil Rays leftfielder Jonny Gomes would undergo season-ending surgery. By the way Young was an outfielder. Pretty good one too, not sure if you've heard. And so, with a record of 52-79, Tampa Bay called up Delmon Young to fill in for the rest of the year. The hype train had finally arrived at the station, and at this point it had also gained the ability to travel through time. Would Young be able to live up to it?
Ten years to the day after his brother debuted, Delmon first time stepping into the MLB batter's box happened at U.S. Cellular Field to face the defending World Champion White Sox. The first pitch Young ever faced in a Major League game was a fastball from Freddy Garcia. And it drilled him in the back. Welcome to the Show buddy! His next at-bat ended with a strikeout, followed two innings later by his first big league hit: an over-400-foot home run. I somehow can't find video of this event, but I imagine all seventeen Devil Rays fans in attendance went crazy. Sure, his team ended up losing the game 9-12, but the hype train was finally shown to have been fully justified. As everyone knows, your first major league game is always a sign of things to come, just ask J.P. Arencibia. A little over a month later, the 2006 season was in the books, and Delmon Young had started all of Tampa Bay's remaining games. What did he have to show for it? A line of .317/.336/.476, 3 homers, 16 runs, and 10 RBIs. He assembled 0.9 bWAR in 30 games as a 20-year-old. If that doesn't say future star power I don't know what does.
Before the next season, Young spent his fourth straight year getting named one of the top 5 prospects in baseball again. He also spent his first year as part of a Major League club, and got named the starting right fielder for the Devil Rays that season. Delmon Young would go on to play in all 162 games, giving fans the chance to finally see the galactic proportions of potential fully realized. How'd it go? Erm, well, he did pretty good. Most commonly hitting in the 5 spot in the lineup, Young had 93 RBIs, the most among rookies in the AL that year. He did it with a hitting line of .288/.316/.408 with just 13 homers and an OPS+ of 91. By no means a bad line, but given where he came from it seems... lacking. What else didn't help was those 127 strikeouts to just 26 walks, and a league-leading 23 double plays grounded into. His 0.9 bWAR in his first 30 games was, in fact, tied in his next 162. He still received three first-place votes for AL Rookie of the Year, but given Dustin Pedroia's excellence at a much flashier position with comparatively better rate numbers, he didn't make it much of a contest. But you know what? That's not that bad. Delmon is still young. He has plenty of room to grow. After all, who absolutely dominates in their age 21 season in such a day and age? The future is looking real bright for Tampa. With promising young starters Scott Kazmir and James Shields, a solid hitter in Carlos Pena, and an outfield of Carl Crawford, B.J. Upton, and the future star player of the 2010s in Delmon Young, what couldn't they do? Well...
That offseason, the Devil Rays had a lot on their checklist. They had just finished their 10th straight 90-loss season in their 10-year existence, and needed to buck that trend somehow. While Shields and Kazmir were very good 1-2 starters to build around, the lowest ERA of any other member of the rotation was 5.76. J.P. Howell, Jae Weong Seo, and Casey Fossum all started 10 games apiece, and each ended the season with an ERA north of 7. So, uh, yeah, starting pitching. And who might have some expendable depth in that area? Why, the Minnesota Twins! What could Tampa Bay trade for that depth? Well, Minnesota had just lost a franchise cornerstone in centerfielder Torii Hunter, and needed extra outfield help. Considering Jonny Gomes was still on the team, and Minnesota wouldn't move on their price of the most promising prospect since Sidd Finch, The Devil Rays saw what they needed to do. Youngster SP Matt Garza became a Tampa Bay Ray (they changed their name because Devils aren't very nice), and Delmon Young became a Minnesota Twin. His position in the outfield swapped from right to left, and his hype train was still running hot. Then, in two years, it had all but come off the rails. By the end of 2009, Young had played in 260 regular season games as a Twin (three playoff games too but they were against the Yankees so kinda pointless to talk about). What did he have to show for it? How about hitting numbers like .288/.315/.413 with 22 home runs and an OPS+ of 97? Not what you wanted? Try 197 strikeouts and 36 double plays grounded into. Hmm? Now here's the bit you'll really love, what do you think of -3.0 dWAR? Geez, talk about a penny on the hype railroad tracks.
Pretty much the only redeeming grace about those two years is how they ended. Okay, yes, it was good that they ended, but how they ended was even better. The day is the first of October, Two Thousand Nine. The Minnesota Twins had just lost two of three in a four-game series versus division rival Detroit. This predicament left them three games back in the AL Central standings, with but four games to play. Luckily for them, Delmon Young wanted to go to the playoffs. The final four games would see Young, who was hitting .273/.296/.397 up to that point in the season, go 9-for-17 with 3 home runs and 10 RBIs to will his team to four straight victories. Young won his first (and last, spoilers) AL Player of the Week award for the power of will he had exerted. The Tigers, meanwhile, went 1-3, leading to a 1-game playoff. And what a playoff it was. 12 innings, both teams scoring in the 10th, and finally, right after Young had been intentionally walked to induce a force-out, Alexi Casilla sent centerfielder Carlos Gomez home with a single to right. Delmon Young would get to see October baseball. And then the Yankees swept the Twins and Young went 1-for-14 but he still got to see it. In the next few months, Delmon Young was staring down the reality that, after so much early promise, he was about to enter his age-24 season without ever having shown but flashes of the greatness he seemed destined for. It was time to see if this hype train would still run.
2010 would start inauspiciously for Young, as the end of April saw him sporting a modest .222/.291/.381. It appeared to be the start of another season of potential wasted. Then, on May 2nd, Young piled four hits and one home run onto the unsuspecting Cleveland Indians, raising his average by 50 points to .261, and adding .105 to his OPS from the month prior. That game served as a wake-up call of sorts, as his average and OPS would, respectively, never slip below .250 and .740 for the rest of the year. This included an incredible hot stretch encompassing the very end of May and the beginning of August where over a 61-game stretch, Young would get hits in all but 10 of them. That stretch saw him go 89-for-224 with 34 extra-base hits, 61 RBIs, and a final line of .365/.385/.590. In the month of July alone, his batting average rose by 39 points from .296 to .335. Guess that's what happens when you go 46-for-106 with 6 homers, 12 doubles, 30 RBIs, and hit .434/.455/.736. That right there got him the July AL Player of the Month award, because of course it did holy crap. Young's bat cooled off a great deal following that hot streak, as he didn't get a hit in 10 games in the month of August. However, the remnants of that hot streak had spread amongst his teammates. Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau clobbered baseballs in Young's stead. Jim Thome hit a team high 25 home runs. Jason Kubel drove in 92 runs. Even the pitching picked up, as Carl Pavano defied his 34 years and Francisco Liriano pitched the best he had since his rookie year. All this culminated in a 94-68 record for the Twins, and a playoff berth. Against the Yankees. While he went 4-for-12 in the ALDS, Young could only will his team so far. Despite a rather slow start and a rather uncomplimentary end, Young finished 10th in AL MVP voting. His fielding left a lot to be desired. His final line was .298/.333/.493, worse than many other people in the voting. But, during that all important middle-of-the-season stretch, Delmon Young performed. And hey, he was only 24! Maybe this was the spark he needed! What would 2011 bring? Oh, .265/.305/.357 by August? And no significant changes in the field? And only 4 home runs in 305 at-bats? And the Twins are 52-67 with more injuries than an active warzone? Dear dear dear. This hype trainwreck has become something I just can't look away from. Figuring they still had time to recoup some value for their faltering team, Young's uninspiring 2011 finished in a new home. Could the hype exploded-engine get a tune up at its next station?
The Detroit Tigers were in a predicament. Following an injury to their can't-miss prospect Brennan Boesch, they were without a dependable leftfielder. I know what all of you are wondering, and no, Andy Dirks didn't count. Thus, they felt a trade with their inter-divisional rivals would make sense. On August 15th, the Tigers traded prospect Cole Nelson and a player-to-be-named-later (Lester Oliveros) to the Minnesota Twins in exchange for Delmon Young. He made a big entrance by hitting a home run in his first at-bat (which was against the Twins, go figure), and did enough to endear himself to the fans. In 40 games as a Tiger in 2011, Young batted .274/.298/.458 with 8 dingers and 32 RBIs. Detroit, in gratitude, left him on the roster for the playoffs. Their first series was against Young's old friends the Yankees. However, this time, Young wasn't on the Twins anymore. And he was out for blood. If the LDS had an MVP award, Young would have definitely gotten it that year. 6-for-19 with 3 solo homers and 4 runs scored, including what ended up being the difference in the clinching game 5. Add it all up and his 1.170 OPS was the highest in the series among those who played all 5 games. Even though he hit 2 more solo dingers against Texas in the next round, the Rangers rode Nelson Cruz to a second straight World Series runner-up finish. After DH Victor Martinez tore his ACL in the offseason, the Tigers figured they had a serviceable replacement in Delmon Young, who started 119 games there. The only problem with that plan was that Young batted .267/.296/.411 with only 18 homers and 74 RBIs. Seems like the hype rolling-ball-of-flames has somehow gotten worse. And yet, because Miguel Cabrera and Austin Jackson were still in the field, Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander anchored the rotation, and Prince Fielder helped his new team immensely, the Tigers still finished atop the AL Central. At this point, it appeared a new narrative had emerged: playoff Delmon Young. With the exception of his first time around in 2009, he'd averaged over 7 total bases in all the October series he'd played in. That would come to an end in 2012's ALDS versus Oakland, though not for lack of trying as Young went 4-for-17 in the 5 game series. It appeared he was saving his true form for the next series. The ALCS saw Delmon Young go 6-for-17 with 2 home runs and 6 RBIs in a 4-game sweep of the Yankees. That more than made up for the LDS, and earned him Series MVP in the process. For the first time in his career, at the age of 27, Delmon Young was headed to the World Series. And boy did he show up to play. 5-for-14 with a double and a homer on the series sounds pretty good. Accounting for a quarter of his team's hits in the series as they get swept does not. As great as his playoff heroics were, the Tigers still remembered what he had done in the regular season, which was worth all of -0.9 bWAR. Largely due to that, they let him walk that winter. Delmon Young, conductor of what was now a hype charred-skeleton-of-a-train, just became a free agent for the first time in his professional career. How would this turn out?
Poorly. It turned out poorly. Young went all of December and most of January unemployed before signing an incentive-laden deal with the Phillies. His baseline salary was $750,000, but it could be as much as $3.5 million by the end of the year, including $600,000 for taking some weight off and keeping it off. It stayed where it was. He spent the first month of the season injured, batted .198 in the month of May, spent the next couple months hitting just well enough to make up for his poor fielding ability, and then went 4-for-39 in 12 games to end July and start August. By then, the Phillies had had enough, and DFA'd him to make room for hotshot Casper Wells. When Young refused to go back to the minors, the Phillies said "fine by us" and released him. This came less than a year after Young made $6.75 million, won ALCS MVP, and turned 27. But then again, .261/.302/.397 isn't very good if you're hired for your bat. Not a week later, his old friends the Tampa Bay now-heavenly Rays threw him a bone and signed him to a minor league deal. Apparently their minor league system was the only one he was willing to play in. Young gritted his teeth, and did well enough for the Rays to call him up in September. He'd do fine, going 16-for-62 with 3 home runs to close out the year, and hey the Rays made the postseason. Say hello to playoff Delmon! He hit a home run in the AL Wild Card game, and drove in 2 of the 12 runs Tampa Bay put up in the ALDS. Boston had that many in the first game, and only piled on more after that, so that was all she wrote for 2013's edition of playoff Delmon. And when all's said and done, .260/.307/.407 in the regular season is not good enough to get re-signed, so Young wound up a free agent yet again.
The Orioles signed him to another minor league deal, but because their system wasn't Tampa Bay's, Young had to earn a roster spot. After he did, 2014 would be Young's best season since 2010. .302/.337/.442 in 83 games as a DH/OF sub and pinch-hitter. And wouldn't you know it, the Orioles also made it to the postseason! Here comes playoff Delmon version 4.0! Unfortunately, this was an abridged version, as he would see only 4 plate appearances that series. Only got one hit, but it was a bases-clearing double in the bottom of the 8th and made a 6-4 Tigers score into 6-7 Orioles. So yeah that's pretty important. And looky there they swept their way to the ALCS! Sadly, that series would see the seeming demise of playoff Delmon. He stepped into the batter's box only five times, and just one of those resulted in a hit as the Royals swept the Orioles out of the playoffs. Since he was all right for them, Baltimore brought Young back on a $2.25 million contract to play right field. He'd thank them by putting up the best dWAR of his career because at this point sure whatever. Problem was, it was coupled with his career lows in slugging percentage and on-base percentage. By a lot. .270/.289/.339 is too low for a bat-first player. Thus in early July, the Orioles said goodbye to the 29-year-old responsible for the Delmon Young hype museum-exhibit-about-how-bad-trainwrecks-can-get. It would be the last time he'd play Major League Baseball.
However, Delmon Young wasn't done playing professional baseball. It's just he was done playing in the United States. Following his July dismissal from the Orioles, Young signed with the Toros Del Este of the Dominican Winter League, and held his own that season. After that, in 2017 he signed with the Melbourne Aces of the Australian Baseball League. He finished that 40-game season batting .280/.361/.511 with 13 homers, the most on the team. He then had quite a productive 2018, where he won the MVP in the Venezuelan Winter League after going .294/.341/.567 with 19 homers and 52 RBIs in 61 games. Tack that onto some other successful outings in the Mexican Leagues and Delmon Young finished 2018 with a combined 32 homers, 122 RBIs, and .309/.351/.544 slash in 131 games across three different leagues. And he still wasn't done! in 2019 he returned to the Melbourne Aces, and showed that, although his hype train was long gone, he still had what it took to run. Again in 40 games, Young finished the season with a .345/.394/.662 line, 13 homers which led the league, 42 RBIs which led the league, and a championship ring. Clearly, even though he turned 35 this year, Delmon Young still has plenty of baseball left in him. Could we eventually see his train get back on the rails? Only time will tell. Who knows, maybe I'll have to do another one of these on him. On second thought no he shouldn't come back.
The story of Delmon Young fascinates me. At no point in his years of building hype did it seem like he would be anything but a superstar. And yet, here we are so many years later, and at 35 years old, he's already been out of the league for five years. Plenty of prospects have crashed and burned before, none more well-remembered than first overall picks. David Clyde, Steven Chilcott, Mark Appel, Danny Goodwin, the list goes on. And yet, rarely do those that bust in such a fashion end up qualifying for a Hall of Fame ballot. It's very clear to me why Young was left off the ballot. But oh, what a sight it would be to see his name on there. Maybe instead of his name they'd just put a train exploding next to the checkbox. It'd be pretty clear who they were talking about.
For his 530 hits, 273 RBIs, and 2010 season, Young would visit the Hall of Fame in a Twins cap. Hopefully he doesn't travel there by train.
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For all 10 of you who have a 3080, how have you squeezed out performance? Here's my experience with a 3080 FE

Hey everyone, as 3080s (VERY) slowly roll out to consumers, I wanted to see what everyone's experiences were squeezing performance out of their new GPUs. Did you go for a straight up overclock? Undervolt? What is your setup? Not a lot of non-reviewer related content related to this out in the wild yet, so it would be super cool to hear everyone's thoughts/experiences with this.
I'll be walking through my personal experience of tuning my system the 3080. I will be going through ALL the steps I did, from CPU to Power Settings, to finally GPU tuning. A lot of you won't be interested in the pre-GPU steps, as it's quite specific towards Ryzen 3000 series cards, so you probably should just skip to the GPU tuning/benchmarking portion. My goal in mind was to squeeze out as much of a clock/memory speed as possible without hitting the thermal throttle limits. The guides I have seen are mostly about undervolting for the sake of efficiency (and also not hitting the throttling limits) or overclocking (usually reviewers who were able to hit overclock speeds that I have thus far not been able to reproduce on my system -- not sure if this is due to reviewers having different/better boards than the general public?), but I just want the highest clock numbers without throttling; suck all the power you can use, even if its for a 1% performance increase, 3080!
Here's my system: https://i.imgur.com/J4F21KJ.png
*Edit: Just realized that is showing a HUGE VCore voltage. Screenshot was taken apparently right as it was boosting (Ryzen spikes to some pretty high voltages during boosts, but very briefly)... DO NOT set your VCore to that unless you're feeling some Ryzen Toast... The max VCore is very dependent on your physical CPU. Let me know if you want me to add details on how to determine your FIT voltage (in my case, VCore voltages are set to default in BIOS, though I did determine the max voltage if I ever wanted to set it at a constant value is 1.269V for my given 3700x)
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  2. Install latest NVIDIA Game ready drivers
  3. Run a quick 3DMark Time Spy benchmark to use as my baseline
Honestly, after this initial baseline I was... whelmed. Especially after all the review specs I was expecting, it was not at all as I expected. I was hitting the advertised boost speeds, but nothing more. After a quick search, one of the most popular responses to the posts around "My 3080 is underperforming" was a CPU bottleneck. This might have been especially true for me, using a 1440p monitor (164Hz refresh). As I have just dropped 699USD+tax on a new GPU, I was not about to get a new CPU, so my first order of business in terms of working on my 3080 performance was tuning my CPU to make sure that aspect of any bottlenecking was minimized. As seen in my screenshot above, I have a Ryzen 3700x.
Pre-GPU Tuning - CPU
Pre-tune, I was sitting at the XMP settings for my RAM, stock CPU voltages, and (responsibly) taking advantage of the PBO "bug" of EDC=1 -- post referenced can be found here https://www.overclock.net/threads/edc-1-pbo-turbo-boost.1741052/ . I was MOSTLY happy with my setup, but one thing I never really put any effort on was pushing the FCLK on my 3700x, particularly to 1900Mhz -- most of the material I read said that 1800 FCLK was the sweet spot, which matched up perfectly with my 3600MHz XMP settings on my RAM. And indeed, after a couple tries a few months ago, I was never able to get the system stable and gave up. Decided to give it more of a serious effort, and to my surprise, I was able to get it stable (this is with a ClockTuner for Ryzen rating of "Bronze" for my given CPU):
  1. Reset back to default BIOS
  2. Set FCLK to 1900, everything else default
  3. Stress test these settings, to see if this FCLK is even possible (a key step I never did the first time around)
  4. Success! It actually didn't crash immediately (well, at least it survived 10 min of an AIDA64 stress test). Let's see if I can get the 1:1 FCLK:UCLK now. I've never gotten this stable above a 3633 UCLK.
  5. Try the Ryzen DRAM Calculator for the 100th time. Up to this point, using the settings straight copy and pasted from there have never worked. https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculato
  6. Pull my RAM XMP data via Thaiphoon Burner (validate all my RAM is the same exact spec/manufacturer, view the report, set timing to nanoseconds, and export complete report) and imported it into the calculator. Plugged in the SAFE values from the first tab that were generated straight into my BIOS
  7. Stress test via AIDA64. Failure after 10 seconds. "Ugh, same shit, I don't know what I expected." But for some reason, I decided to try different combinations of the stress tests, only to find out they all actually ran fine (again, quick tests @ 10 minutes until I'm ready to finalize), EXCEPT for the "Stress Cache". Using this as a new clue, search results told me that this was likely due to insufficient voltages somewhere in my BIOS settings.
  8. Re-checking the ryzen calculator results, I decided to use the MAX values for all power settings rather than the RECOMMENDED. While doing this, I had never realized that the next couple tabs had FURTHER settings. One tab in particular had recommended power settings! How have I missed this... I plugged in all the MAX values, and any other values from the next couple tabs
  9. Another stress test now shows that it actually survives 10 seconds of the AIDA64 stress test before a crash, which is way better than the immediate crash from earlier. Progress! But now I have no idea what else to change. My voltages have either been pulled from recommended values from DRAM calculator, or set to recommended daily maximums, so now I have no idea what else to look into
  10. The next couple links are what helped me tie all the remaining loose ends and finally get it up and running: https://www.reddit.com/overclocking/comments/ahs5a2/demystifying_memory_overclocking_on_ryzen_oc/ reading through this gave me an idea of what the CAD_BUS settings actually were, and rather than plugging in settings from DRAM Calculator, I was able to make educated guesses more relevant to my current set up (particularly the termination impedences), which were further validated with a review of my exact RAM kit and their experience overclocking it https://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/gskill_3600_tridentz_neo_16gb/2.htm . Based on this new info, I turned off RTT_NOM, RTT_PARK (my mind set being that I am already pushing my CPU/Memory quite hard -- maybe the additional resistance is interfering with the signal travel from memory to CPU, but an important note, I am no expert at this).
  11. Reboot, AIDA64 stress test. "Stress Cache" actually makes it to 10 minutes! So onto a full stress test. An hour later, still good, CPU temperatures not exceeding 72 Celcius. Looks good! At this point, I was really impatient and wanted to get to the GPU, so I called it "good enough" -- I'll run a full length stress test over night. Re-applied my PBO "bug" settings, another stress test (this time for 30 minutes, impatience really kicking in hard), saw it was still running with similar temperatures as the last run, considered it good
My Ryzen Master specs after tuning: https://i.imgur.com/33tRKq6.png
Pre-GPU Tuning - Power Settings
The goal here was to find the best power setting for the most balance of multi-thread/single-thread performance. For reference, the list of options I tested against were:
  1. AMD Balanced (included with chipset driver install)
  2. AMD Performance (included with chipset driver install)
  3. 1usmus Universal https://www.techpowerup.com/review/1usmus-custom-power-plan-for-ryzen-3000-zen-2-processors/
  4. 1usmus Ryzen (see link above)
  5. Ultimate https://www.howtogeek.com/368781/how-to-enable-ultimate-performance-power-plan-in-windows-10/
Won't go as in depth here, as this is pretty easy to play around with yourself. I determined my choice by applying the power plan, and running a pass of Cinebench, and then the CPU benchmark via CPU-Z. I ended up choosing the 1usmus Universal power plan.
GPU Tuning
With CPU/power plan optimized to the best of my abilities (I need to mention again I am no expert at overclocking/performance tuning), it was finally time to revisit the GPU. A re-baseline with 3DMark/Time Spy showed much better results with my prior optimizations
  • Boost clock max hitting mid 1900s (Mhz)
  • Clock lows hitting closer to the advertised boost clock (1700s [Mhz]) -- this must be the throttling I've read so much about
For tuning, I pretty much just used the latest beta of MSI Afterburner, and a run of Time Spy and/or Port Royal after each change. Additionally, I used GPU-Z for a more granular live monitor of several GPU metrics. My re-iterate, my goals were:
  • Best average/max clocks for GPU/memory
  • Prevent throttling
  • No consideration for efficiency. If it wants to suck power, I will let it, as long as there is no throttling (which in a way is actually considering efficiency due to the nature of these 3080s... maybe this point contradicts itself)
  • Stability as a DAILY DRIVER. No crashes or weird bugs during the work day, but also be good for gaming afterwards. A professional on the streets, but high FPS in the sheets. So tuning was done with all usual background applications running, as well as all external monitors (2 @ 1080/144Mhz, 1 @ 1440/164Mhz, 1 @ 800x480 (this is my in case system monitor display) )
To note, it's great that the maximum allowed power draw for the Founders Edition is capped at 370w. From my understanding (but please! correct me if I am wrong), the actual PCI-E slot provides UP TO 75w, and each of the 8-pin connectors (via 12-pin adapter OOB) can provide 150w. 370w board limit compared to what seems to be a 375w physical limit (at least without setting my apartment on fire), so no need to look for ways to attempt to modify that on-board max (and I don't even think there is currently a way yet).
For my MSI Afterburner settings, I set the power limit to the max (115%, which is 115% of 320w as per the OOB board limit, equalling the expected ~370w limit set via vBIOS). I also set a custom fan curve in the MSI Afterburner settings. This, of course largely depends on your noise preference. I don't mind the fan running, even at the lower end of the temperature curve. And a cool thing (or maybe its just a bug I'm experiencing) is that the fan curve doesn't actually stick -- it reverts back to the default fan curve the second I close MSI Afterburner. So during the work day, the fan sits at 0rpm mode, and when I plan to play some games, I just start up Afterburner to start up the fans. I did enable the voltage modification settings, but I'm not sure if this is required, as I was going to leave the voltage setting via the main UI at +0, and instead manually create a voltage/frequency curve via the curve editor. For me, I left the core clock setting via the UI as-is (I saw some walkthroughs that lower this to ~-300Mhz, so you can try that if you want). For the curve editor:
  1. Determine your maximum desired voltage and frequency, where any throttling is prevented and there is enough voltage to sustain your target frequency. A good way to validate your settings is to keep an eye on the sensors tab in GPU-Z during a benchmark-- a good max voltage/frequency should ideally show a totally clear PerfCap Reason line through the WHOLE benchmark
  2. After determining my maxes, I opened the curve editor. I pulled the LAST voltage point (right-most) to my target MAX frequency, which in my case is 1980MHz. Then I clicked the apply settings button in the main UI. This should move your whole curve UP. Now, move your TARGET voltage point, which in my case was 900mV, to the MAX frequency. Click apply again, and your curve should appear to ramp up, and then maintain a straight line starting at your max voltage, and should stay straight at the target frequency for every other point after. This is a little different from what I've seen from most walkthroughs of just moving your target voltage straight up to the target frequency from the start -- most of the time, this did not result in a straight line for me, and some points particularly towards the higher end of the voltage curve deviated upwards a little bit, which I did not want, just in case.
  3. After you are happy with your curve, increase your memory overclock value in the main UI. The increase should still show a clear PerfCaf Reason line after your benchmarks.
  4. My resulting voltage/frequency curve and (quite aggressive) fan curve can be found here: https://i.imgur.com/Mc9bUV0.png
Additionally, here is some of the settings set via Afterburner and validated via GPU-Z: https://i.imgur.com/sYIRnac.png
Post-GPU Tuning Benchmarks
After I was happy with my settings, it was time to run my 3080 through a round of benchmarks to determine stability and determine if there is still any throttling.
Time Spy
No power throttling here: https://i.imgur.com/jGLT5ob.png
  • Max GPU clock: 1995.0 MHz
  • Average Memory clock: 876.3 MHz - not sure why I suddenly switched to average here
  • Max Temperature: 65.0C
  • Max board power draw: 363.0 W
  • Max GPU Voltage: 0.900mV
Time Spy Extreme
To my dismay, this did trigger a PerfCap entry, all of them for PWR. As you can see from the GPU Clock row, there is some throttling going on (the curves are not a straight line during the max loads, as with the previous two benchmarks). This can be further validated by the Board Power Draw row, which indeed shows a reading above the 370W max: https://i.imgur.com/1ceDslF.png
  • Max GPU clock: 1995.0 MHz
  • Average Memory clock: 615.5 MHz
  • Max Temperature: 66.0C
  • Max board power draw: 379.9 W
  • Max GPU Voltage: 0.900V
Edit: Re-ran with the modified/lowered max GPU clock as a result of my Metro Exodus tweaking. A LOT less instances of exceeding the power limit -- we can probably assume full stability and no throttling across the board with a max 1950MHz at the current max voltage of 900mV https://i.imgur.com/K1s4N7o.png
Port Royal
  • Max GPU clock: 1995.0 MHz
  • Average Memory clock: 870.1 MHz - not sure why I suddenly switched to average here
  • Max Temperature: 63.0C
  • Max board power draw: 338.9 W
  • Max GPU Voltage: 0.900V
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
Finally, some actual games. This was one I really wanted to benchmark, as it is a game I played on both an older (RIP) 1080 and my previous 5700 XT. In both instances, the game was unplayable with any MSAA enabled. Here are the settings I used:
Results @ 4x MSAA: https://i.imgur.com/xGsWNvx.png
  • Max GPU clock: 1995.0 MHz
  • Average Memory clock: 1034.8.5 MHz
  • Max Temperature: 61.0C
  • Max board power draw: 299.3 W
  • Max GPU Voltage: 0.900V
Results @ 2x MSAA: https://i.imgur.com/0TF3tdi.png
  • Max GPU clock: 1995.0 MHz
  • Average Memory clock: 1240.2 MHz
  • Max Temperature: 63.0C
  • Max board power draw: 309.3 W
  • Max GPU Voltage: 0.900V
Metro Exodus
Like Time Spy Extreme, this was the game that required me to go back and tweak my Afterburner settings specifically for it -- this is why it's important to run across multiple different benchmarks, and also actual games! Initially, I experienced consistent crashing especially when entering scenes that were RTX heavy, so I had to tone down my frequency/voltage curve and cut down the memory overclock a tad.
Benchmark result (you can run the benchmark from your install directory. If via Steam, it gives you an annoying warning message every time you start it up). Additionally, as I write this up, I just realized I ran this on 1080... Whoops. Will need to go back and re-run this at 1440p... And I won't be shocked if this results in further curve tweaking :)
Results: https://i.imgur.com/pC9Gh0t.png
GPU-Z sensor metrics: https://i.imgur.com/PRhObhc.png
  • Max GPU clock: 1995.0 MHz
  • Average Memory clock: 919.7 MHz
  • Max Temperature: 60.0C
  • Max board power draw: 319.0 W
  • Max GPU Voltage: ??? - looks like I was tired at this point. Not only did I run at the incorrect resolution, but I also did not capture the max GPU Voltage!
Edit: Re-ran at 1440p and crashed, so I went back and slightly lowered the max clock speed to 1965 MHz. It ran fine after the change, but notice the voltage reading in GPU-Z is higher than the limit I had set in Afterburner. This is the only instance across all benchmarks where I've seen that? https://i.imgur.com/3htp7cx.png
It definitely is a game of balancing maximal performance and power management. I'll be sure to update any changes/findings I have, but please, if you have any input on anything I may have done wrong/inefficiently/can be improved, let me know!
As a bonus, here's my "unrealistic" scenario, where god forbid I don't have all 4 external monitors on and all my background applications closed.
1 monitor @ 1440p/164Hz, no non-essential background tasks on Port Royal -- Able to push the max frequency to 2055 MHz at the same voltage with no throttling/sufficient power: https://i.imgur.com/DO9ZJpw.png
And finally, my PC (yet another Lian Li OC11): https://i.imgur.com/bvBDvjN.jpg
And a bonus pic of my
temporary upgraded cooling solution to see how far we can push the 3080 with air cooling https://i.imgur.com/OEYSWpK.jpg
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